Productive says:
holeepassion.com
Productive says:
another website of mine
Town Square Madness says:
interesting.  i wont be a vegetarian though 
Town Square Madness says:
though i do need to eat more rice and eggs
Productive says:
not even to save earth ?
Town Square Madness says:
i dont eat excessive amounts of meat.
Town Square Madness says:
i do heavy periods of exercise.  i need the protein
Town Square Madness says:
i should double the rice that i eat.  high carbohydrate loading
Productive says:
 
Productive says:
u must be muscle bound then ?
Productive says:
little or lots do not matter
Productive says:
carbon dioxide is still produced to support the meat lifestyle
Town Square Madness says:
true however methane (CH4) is also a serious threat
Productive says:
meat industry has the largest producer of CO2
Productive says:
one third is produced by meat industry
Town Square Madness says:
cars is the largest CH4 producer
Productive says:
that's why bike is great
Town Square Madness says:
yeah
Productive says:
pity they do not allow electric bikes here
Town Square Madness says:
they do ive seen them
Town Square Madness says:
you are supposed to get a license to ride them
Productive says:
we may only have 4-5 years to take action before we get to the zone with no recourse
Productive says:
that's scooter
Productive says:
but electric bike . anything assisted is not allowed i remember reading
Productive says:
scooter u need a car licence
Town Square Madness says:
already cyclones/typhoons/hurricanes are more destructive.  there have been four Category 5 cyclone events in Queensland in the last 5 years - this had never occurred before since weather records started
Productive says:
ice is melting
Town Square Madness says:
the frequency hasnt changed but they are getting more destructive.
Productive says:
ice in the artic sea gives us the cooler temperature and preserve co2 at the bottom of the sea
Town Square Madness says:
water temperatures are increasing
Productive says:
did u read about a block of ice in the size of texas broke off ?
Town Square Madness says:
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/climate/indicator_sst.jsp?lt=global&lc=glo...
Productive says:
that's why we should take drastic actions . too slow not enough to even contain what we produce atm
Productive says:
not to mention to reverse
Productive says:
i wonder what's is going to be like when we fail
Town Square Madness says:
u r convincing the wrong person - i know this already
Productive says:
maybe all plants would start dying
Productive says:
animals no food start dying
Productive says:
how would people survive the heat, when using electricity is going to make things worse
Productive says:
lol 
Town Square Madness says:
plants would change as the climate gets hotter.  this would adversely affect animal life
Productive says:
well pass it on
Productive says:
even at this slow rate in the past 20-50 years, species are dying every day
Productive says:
not to mention now, the weather is more extreme
Productive says:
that's why animal raising needs to be reduced considerably not to mention stopped if possible
Productive says:
but it is very unlikely unless those peolple producing are convinced about the effec of their work and they need to survive
Productive says:
we need to find a role model farmers who let go of animal farming and be a leader to its farming community then others would follow otherwise, we are going towards that way of life, becoming mars ...
Productive says:
Planet Mars I meant
Productive says:
lifeless or seemingly so .. as people tend to find facts there are signs of life over there
Town Square Madness says:
the atmosphere on mars is very different to earth with a very low pressure (about 6HPa)
Town Square Madness says:
this wont happen on earth due to the strong magnetic field.  however temperatures will rise unless politicians start making the hard choices
Productive says:
like banning meat farming
Productive says:
every other method is way to slow
Town Square Madness says:
you are talking about something on a global scale - the world is too divided at this point in time
Productive says:
needs a more drastic change of life on this planet
Town Square Madness says:
it is not practical to implement.
Productive says:
it is not going to happen in 4-5 years
Productive says:
but one leader is needed to open the eyes of other leaders
Productive says:
i know about the impracticality
Town Square Madness says:
the western world (on average) consumes far too much meat though.  the USA and Australia are overeating themselves into the grave
Productive says:
that's why it is a depressing situation
Productive says:
it is an impossible ask somehow
Productive says:
but we can only try if we really want to maintain the current living conditions atm
Town Square Madness says:
social issue within the community.  people are too narrowminded and not willing  to change.
Productive says:
all we need is one world leader who is brave enough to take a stance and make it happen
Productive says:
those rich billionaires should take part to help with transitioning the farming into a vegetable farming
Productive says:
then we have a chance otherwise
Productive says:
it is not going to happen
Town Square Madness says:
Europe is the most likely to take the lead.  China may be forced to due to their high population
Productive says:
what's the point of having all those monies for hundreds if not thousands of lifetimes if they would be subject to harsh living conditions ?
Productive says:
they may have the monies, the monies they use to counteract the effect may be just a temporary solution
Town Square Madness says:
approach this from a different angle
Productive says:
they would still suffer nevertheles
Productive says:
the thing with chaning lifestyle and people's way of earning monies is that one goes, the other might come in
Town Square Madness says:
in about 10 years technology should allow us to detect earthlike exoplanets and begin analyzing their atmospheres.  this data will be vital to understanding how the atmosphere/climate on earth works
Productive says:
ten years, maybe maybe
Productive says:
then again we enter into hell like existence already
Town Square Madness says:
the james webb deep space telescope is due for launch in 2013
Town Square Madness says:
http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/
Productive says:
if no plants to sustain animal life, animal dies, animal dies no food for those meat craving, then human prey on human for food
Town Square Madness says:
that would be interesting
Productive says:
would you imagine living in those circumstance ... this might be the worst scenario but again it might be a possibility
Town Square Madness says:
would human life resort to cannablism as a last resort?
Productive says:
and how many people can actually move to other planet ....
Town Square Madness says:
this happened in 1972 after a plane crashed in the Andes mountains.  the survivors were forced to eat the dead or perish
Productive says:
if human is addicted to that kind of diet i am sure we could
Productive says:
how do you handle hunger ... ? you eat or you die ????
Productive says:
if people cannot force themselves to eat plants now ?
Productive says:
imagine later when no plants can hardly exist ????
Town Square Madness says:
you cant respond to such an instinct by using logic.
Productive says:
???
Town Square Madness says:
people will say they would not do it.  but when they are forced into the situation the way they will respond will be significantly different to the way they say they will respond
Productive says:
yes
Town Square Madness says:
the possibility that id suicide in such a scenario.
Productive says:
exactly
Productive says:
anything can happen i think
Productive says:
depends on your value systems too
Productive says:
if people cannot be wiling to help animals by going veges ? i think these people would have a more cruel tendency ?
Productive says:
dont you think ?
Town Square Madness says:
china/india and the western world are doing the damge
Town Square Madness says:
damage.  africa and south america are not the culprits
Productive says:
china and india are basically doing anything to meet demand so we cannot really blame them either
Productive says:
why blame on africa and south america ?
Productive says:
what did they do ?
Town Square Madness says:
im saying they are not to blame
Productive says:
yes but why single them out ?
Town Square Madness says:
not for the environment at least.  there are some unfortunate local environmental issues due to poor govt policy
Productive says:
there are no indications they are contributing anything at all ?
Town Square Madness says:
south america (brazil)
Productive says:
why ? what happened to brazil not following ?
Town Square Madness says:
damage to the amazon rainforest
Productive says:
i see
Productive says:
well they are not the most destructor of rainforests ?
Town Square Madness says:
largest rainforest in the world.  vital to converting CO2 to O2
Productive says:
every country has done land clearing by turning into farming ????
Town Square Madness says:
thats expected
Town Square Madness says:
i gotta run.  back later
Productive says: